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 Post subject: Angmar or Mordor 450
PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:34 am 
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Upcoming 450 point tournament and I just can't decide between two lists I want to bring for my evil army. (Both using the new Throne of Skulls army list rules)
Number 1: Angmar
Burhdur
- 10 Orcs, 5 shields, 5 spears, one banner
-2 Spectres

Wild Warg Chief
-6 Wild Wargs

Orc Captain, shield
-9 Orcs, 5 shields, 4 spears and 3 bows
Model Count: 30
Bow count: 3
Might: 6
Broken: 16 dead
Quartered: 20 dead

OR

Number 2: Mordor
Mouth of Sauron on armoured horse
-6 Morannon orcs with shield
-6 Morannon Orcs with spear

Shagrat, captain of Cirith Ungol, shield
-6 Orcs with spear, one banner
-6 Mordor Uruks, 2 with shield, 4 with 2H

Gorbag, shield
-4 Orcs with spear
-5 Orcs with shield
Model Count: 36
Bow count: 0
Might: 7
Broken: 19 dead
Quartered: 24 dead

So, if you had to choose, what would you like to play, or alternatively, what are you more afraid of?
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 Post subject: Re: Angmar or Mordor 450
PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:58 pm 
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I would prefer your second list to play, I suppose this list is stronger.

By chance I played just this Saturday an Angmar army of about 400 Points with Buhrdur, a shade and two spectres, the rest were orcs on foot and five warg riders. I did win, but I wouldn't have with Buhrdur alone. The shade was very helpful in securing the center of the battleline. But in your first list there is only Buhrdur as a mighty hero. Don't expect too much from the spectres. They are useful against non hero models of courage 3 or less, and they can idiot charges because of their terror rule.

In your other army Shagrat is great and Gorbag is not bad. The Mouth of Sauron I played only once and he was not so convincing (my subjective opinion, of course). The wild wargs are not so competitve in my experience. I would not expect them to survive very long in melee, but they can be useful for other duties.

Well, that's how I would decide, if I had to use one of these two armies unchanged. If it were allowed, I would alter it a little.
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 Post subject: Re: Angmar or Mordor 450
PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:32 pm 
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Please offer suggestions I would love to hear any thoughts on either a similar angmar or mordor force.
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 Post subject: Re: Angmar or Mordor 450
PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:13 pm 
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Wild Wargs and their chieftain are adorable unit. The fact is though, that, they are overpriced. So, from thematic, yes, from competitiveness - no.

Buhrdur is actually quite powerful melee unit, very worth its points!

Here is nevertheless a new army list suggestion. I do not know what you own already, but...

*Buhrdur
-12 orc warrior

*Barrow-wight
-11 orc warrior

*Orc Captain on warg
-6 wild warg
-4 warg rider with shields, 2 with throwing spear

Overall: 36 units, 5 might, 1 mage, and a "strong" cavalry flank unit.

Explanation: Buhrdur will beat any enemy hero you are going to face... Most likely. So, you can use barrow-wight to enemy captains, let's say an elf captain has just 1 will so you can paralyze 60+ points hero easily. Or let's say if the enemy would have a troll chieftain (mordor/buhrdur), they also have just 1 will so again an easy paralyze 1/3 of enemy army! Nazgul can though sap will = gg wp useless barrow, but hey, you cannot get everything.
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