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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:12 am 
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Hey guys, this is just a thread to add any and all profiles/models you would like to see in the game.

Either for army fluff, movie/book accuracy, or gameplay.

This is just one I thought of, probably more down the pipleine:

Dwarf Arbalester

Fight: 3/4+
Strength: 3
Defense: 5
Courage: 4
Points Cost: ???

Equipment:
Dwarf Armor and Crossbow

Description:
Dwarves are known for their stout but powerful designs; their Crossbows are no different. Thick and ornate, this machine can hurl a steel-tipped dart deep into an enemy's body, punching through armor and flesh.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:19 am 
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Spike117 wrote:
Hey guys, this is just a thread to add any and all profiles/models you would like to see in the game.

Either for army fluff, movie/book accuracy, or gameplay.

This is just one I thought of, probably more down the pipleine:

Dwarf Arbalester

Fight: 3/4+
Strength: 3
Defense: 5
Courage: 4
Points Cost: ???

Equipment:
Dwarf Armor and Crossbow

Description:
Dwarves are known for their stout but powerful designs; their Crossbows are no different. Thick and ornate, this machine can hurl a steel-tipped dart deep into an enemy's body, punching through armor and flesh.


Fight: 4/4+
Defence:6
Cost:10pts
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:21 am 
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Steven bonnar wrote:
Spike117 wrote:
Hey guys, this is just a thread to add any and all profiles/models you would like to see in the game.

Either for army fluff, movie/book accuracy, or gameplay.

This is just one I thought of, probably more down the pipleine:

Dwarf Arbalester

Fight: 3/4+
Strength: 3
Defense: 5
Courage: 4
Points Cost: ???

Equipment:
Dwarf Armor and Crossbow

Description:
Dwarves are known for their stout but powerful designs; their Crossbows are no different. Thick and ornate, this machine can hurl a steel-tipped dart deep into an enemy's body, punching through armor and flesh.


Fight: 4/4+
Defence:6
Cost:10pts

Would that not make them overpowered? Since Crossbows are pretty strong it seems.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:05 am 
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Spike117 wrote:
Would that not make them overpowered? Since Crossbows are pretty strong it seems.


not at all. 10 points is the basic dwarf warrior cost + the cost of a crossbow. Uruk-hai are slightly more expensive because the base uruk warrior is more expensive than his dwarf counterpart, due to him having more strenght and faster movement.
Even that mere 1" slower can be quite a pain when using crossbows. If you can't reach the perfect spot in a turn, they have to sacrifice two full turn. Plus, good crossbow cannot shot in combat, so they have limited options.
I think 10 points is the good price.
By making the cost of the crossbow go up, they would end up like dwarf rangers (only in Italy Dwarf rangers may actually be worth their points, because they are considered having S3 bows instead of S2).
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 4:31 pm 
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Dikey wrote:
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Would that not make them overpowered? Since Crossbows are pretty strong it seems.


not at all. 10 points is the basic dwarf warrior cost + the cost of a crossbow. Uruk-hai are slightly more expensive because the base uruk warrior is more expensive than his dwarf counterpart, due to him having more strenght and faster movement.
Even that mere 1" slower can be quite a pain when using crossbows. If you can't reach the perfect spot in a turn, they have to sacrifice two full turn. Plus, good crossbow cannot shot in combat, so they have limited options.
I think 10 points is the good price.
By making the cost of the crossbow go up, they would end up like dwarf rangers (only in Italy Dwarf rangers may actually be worth their points, because they are considered having S3 bows instead of S2).


Didn't consider this. Makes sense then; and I never understood why Dwarf Rangers had S2 bows when regular Dwarfs had S3. I know they have further range but most of the time I find my Rangers usually don't need the range.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:45 am 
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Spike117 wrote:
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Would that not make them overpowered? Since Crossbows are pretty strong it seems.


not at all. 10 points is the basic dwarf warrior cost + the cost of a crossbow. Uruk-hai are slightly more expensive because the base uruk warrior is more expensive than his dwarf counterpart, due to him having more strenght and faster movement.
Even that mere 1" slower can be quite a pain when using crossbows. If you can't reach the perfect spot in a turn, they have to sacrifice two full turn. Plus, good crossbow cannot shot in combat, so they have limited options.
I think 10 points is the good price.
By making the cost of the crossbow go up, they would end up like dwarf rangers (only in Italy Dwarf rangers may actually be worth their points, because they are considered having S3 bows instead of S2).


Didn't consider this. Makes sense then; and I never understood why Dwarf Rangers had S2 bows when regular Dwarfs had S3. I know they have further range but most of the time I find my Rangers usually don't need the range.


A strength 3 bow for dwarf rangers would make them 11pts each as they'd pay 2pts(4pts) to use there 3+ shoot.

I wouldn't mind it but why then take dwarf bows?
I like the mix of str-2, 3+ bows mixed in with the dwarf bows to target different defence enemies. :)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 7:25 pm 
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For me, and others, the problem is not the S2 bow, is the S2 bow coming at 3 points when every other unit in the game pays 1 point for it. But this is going off topic, and it has been discussed in other topics.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 8:42 pm 
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Dikey wrote:
For me, and others, the problem is not the S2 bow, is the S2 bow coming at 3 points when every other unit in the game pays 1 point for it. But this is going off topic, and it has been discussed in other topics.


Balance is the answer,

As for dwarves with crossbows, I feel that it'll never happen due to how the films were laid out, and because having 10pt crossbows on a good force with all the durability of a dwarf is super strong!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:03 pm 
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Steven bonnar wrote:
Dikey wrote:
For me, and others, the problem is not the S2 bow, is the S2 bow coming at 3 points when every other unit in the game pays 1 point for it. But this is going off topic, and it has been discussed in other topics.


Balance is the answer,

As for dwarves with crossbows, I feel that it'll never happen due to how the films were laid out, and because having 10pt crossbows on a good force with all the durability of a dwarf is super strong!


Overpricing is not an answer. Any other ranged unit at 10 points has either a elf bow, a crossbow, an extra attack or a horse.

a dwarven crossbow has its drawbacks. 10 Point is a far price. It's the price of a dwarf + the price of a crossbow.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 2:47 pm 
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Agreed 10pts for the crossbow dwarf is the standard points used in lotr from available system.

How bout flash banger dwarves?
10pts, erebor profile, throwing weapons.
Flash bangs- model hit plus those in base contact are knocked down and suffer a strength 3 hit!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 10:03 pm 
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Sounds way too strong for a 10 points model. it basically means you only need one hit to disrupt a substantial part of any spear wall/ phalanx. As it's a throwing weapon you could use it while charging, which would mean you knock down about 1/3 or more of your opponent's front line only by charging
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 3:03 pm 
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Rownage wrote:
Sounds way too strong for a 10 points model. it basically means you only need one hit to disrupt a substantial part of any spear wall/ phalanx. As it's a throwing weapon you could use it while charging, which would mean you knock down about 1/3 or more of your opponent's front line only by charging


I know it's strong but Balin's flash bangs would be amazing if used against non smaug targets.
12pts+?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:08 pm 
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12 pts would be a better price yes. Dalamyr pays 10 points for a worse equivalent that only hits the targeted model. This means a warrior would pay 2 points on top of the throwing weapon price for it. So that's 12 points after the cost of a throwing weapon and the added stun/knock down effects. Add another two points and I think you've got the right points cost. So that would make them 14 points each.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:23 pm 
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Rownage wrote:
12 pts would be a better price yes. Dalamyr pays 10 points for a worse equivalent that only hits the targeted model. This means a warrior would pay 2 points on top of the throwing weapon price for it. So that's 12 points after the cost of a throwing weapon and the added stun/knock down effects. Add another two points and I think you've got the right points cost. So that would make them 14 points each.


Or lessen the effect to the same as Dalamyr's to target only, etc
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:51 pm 
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I've been thinking about some armies that need to be fleshed out more, and I have started to develop a full-functioning Dale list. In the profiles for their troops, it says that Dale's troops were always away sailing to distant wars. I can only guess at who they were warring against, though both the Wiki page and scenarios from the RotK journey book suggest Rhun is a traditional enemy, though I suspect Orc and Goblin bands were probably trouble too.

I doubt Dale's army consisted purely of basic infantry, and while I think that the current troops aren't bad, they seem too limited to build an actual army.

Infantry
Dale I see having some specialized divisions and recruited Men to bolster their standard force.

Man of Rhovanion
On the Wiki, it noted men from nearby settlements were recruited by Dale. My idea of these troops looks towards the Auxiliaries of Rome, who were poorer equipped, not actually Roman, and bore a great portion of fighting. Basically a cheaper but less powerful soldier.

Around the kingdom of Dale, many villages and towns reside under the protection of Dale's armies and wealth of its trade. In return, Dale recruits Auxiliaries from these townships to support their military.
F 3/4+
S 3
D 4
A 1
C 2
Pts: ?
Wargear Options: Shield, two-handed weapon, throwing weapons
Includes armor and hand weapon

Trade Guard
As Dale is an important trade city, I imagine a special division of warriors tasked with escorting and defending cargo ships and caravans, who are averagely armed but have some unique abilities.

Those selected for Trade duty are a special breed. They have to be watchful, accommodating of merchants and traders, efficient in packing and camping, willing to march and travel to new places, and of course know how to fight. This brigade is comprised of adventurers and explorers as much as soldiers, but never underestimate their resilience to an ambush or attack.

F 3/4+
S 3
D 5
A 1
C 3
Pts: ?
Defend the Cargo Special Rule:
When playing an objective-based match, Trade Guards get +1 FV when in range of an objective.
Trade Guards are trained to defend the goods (and sellers) at all costs.
Alert Special Rule: Trade Guards always have Movement Priority (not Shooting).
Wandering the trails and forests abroad leaves ample priority to sudden attacks from animals and more sinister. Trade Guards are always frosty and ready to explode into action.
Wargear Options: Short Bow (Dwarf Bow), Shield
Includes heavy armor and hand weapon

Marine
Dale being very close to bodies of water, I could see them pioneering water-borne assault tactics, creating what is akin to a 'Marine' in our world. Fighting in both boarding actions and in landing maneuvers, Marines would be a rapid-attack fighting force.

Although it's rare, Dale's warships board and be defended from boarding through the Marine Corps of the Kingdom of Dale, simply called the Marines. More common are riverine assault operations, where contingents of these aggressive troops are deployed from boats and tasked with supporting an army or leading an assault; they can lead landings at enemy footholds on the beaches or strike deep inland, like an arrow fired from Dale's Navy.
F 3/4+
S 3
D 4
A 2
C 3
Pts: ?
Rapid Attack Special Rule:
When they have priority, Marines have Movement of 8".
A Marine charge is a sight to see. The most aggressive Warriors in Dale are recruited, and oft they sprint headlong into the enemy.
Wargear options: Short Bow (Dwarf Bow), Boarding Pike (spear), Shield, Two-Handed Weapon
Includes Armor and Hand-Weapon

Elite
Being an influential city-state, I think Dale would have a contingent of above-ordinary warriors.

Silken Warrior
Importing both fine Elven cloth and Dwarf arms and armor, I imagine these troops essentially being the most wealthy and heavily trained warriors in Dale. They'd be the top soldier, being best suited against enemy Captains.

Born of nobility, and being taught swordsmanship from an early age, Silken Warriors must prove themselves with years of service before they can don the Red Cloak. However, when they make it, their attack is a mesmerizing display of red silk swirling and blade spinning.
F 4/-
S 4
D 5
A 2
C 4
Pts: ?
Swordplay Special Rule:
When engaging an enemy Captain or Hero, match their number of Attacks. If facing multiple Heroes at once, pick the highest. This does not apply to Monsters.
They are extensively knowledgeable in the way of blades. They can match and mirror almost any swordsman in all of Middle-Earth.
Wargear includes Heavy Armor and Hand-Weapon

Foot Knight of Dale
On the Wiki, it mentions Dale having Knights. I see sort of a blend between a Landsknecht, with the garish dress and swaggering attitude, with the armor and weaponry of a European Knight, all in Dale style and imagery. These troops would be their shock force, not as strong as a Silken Warrior but easier to mass.

Sons of the upper echelons of Dalish society are selected to become Knights. Following training in combat, horse-riding, and chivalry, they are fielded by Dale's kings to be proud, inspirational, and deadly warriors.
F 4/-
S 4
D 5
A 2
C 4
Pts: ?
Wargear options: Two-Handed Weapon, Halberd (Axe of Lossanarch, spear+two-handed cost), Shield
Wargear includes Heavy Armor and Hand Weapon

Ribboniers
Dale was noted for it's archery, something the regular soldier profile doesn't note. To give them a fluffy but viable ranged option I came up with Ribboniers, elite missile troops of Dale.

Archers in Dale's regular ranks who are notable will be selected for the Ribbonier Battalia. Impressively dressed marksman, they are accurate and disciplined. Their defining feature, however, is their arrows. Every arrow has a red ribbon tied to it, which leads to showers of fluttering and beautiful darts raining across the sky.
F 2/3+
S 3
D 4
A 1
C 3
Pts: ?
Heavy Volley Special Rule:
Gives them the Volley ability from RoTK, except needing to hit on a 5+.
Developed to combat the formations of Rhun, Ribonniers are trained to fire massive volleys against clusters of enemy troops.
Wargear includes Armor and Bow

Cavalry
I see Dale as wielding an elite but small Cavalry army.

Knight of Dale
Continuing with the Foot Knights, I imagine mounted Knights leading charges against Dale's enemies. Game-wise, they'd be Dale's best offensive weapon.

Knights are at their most effective gallantly charging across the field, smashing into enemy lines to kill for their country or die trying.

Same profile as above, except the addition of an Armored Horse and Shield, and the option for a Lance.

Uhlan
Fighting the Easterlings and their Kataphracts, the Ulhan is meant to be an anti-Cavalry troop. Although they could be used in charges against infantry like regular Cavalry, their points are better spent knocking out enemy Cavalry.

The Kataphracts of the Easterling army are one of the banes of Dale's army. Their counter are Uhlans; lance-armed horsemen trained in the goring of enemy Cavalry. Through many jousting sessions, being taught many techniques, and being equipped for the job, Uhlans are the supreme anti-cavalry unit.

F 4/-
S 4
D 5
A 1
C 4
Lancer Special Rule:
Uhlans get the 1+ Attack bonus for a Lance when charging Cavalry, along with the double Attack bonus. They do not get the knock-down however.
Learning where to hit an enemy horseman, Uhlans know how to deal with mounted counterparts.
Wargear includes Heavy Armor, Horse, and Lance.

Heroes and Captains
Not sure on named Heroes, but some other Captains are in order.

Commissar
Basically a supporting Captain, Commissars are Dale's discipline and morale keepers, specifically in formations of Auxiliaries and special divisions.

Highly devoted to the defense of Dale, Commissars make certain, through rallying speeches or methods more sinister, that their comrades share the same attitude; at least when the Commissar is looking.
F 4/-
S 4
D 5
A 2
C 5
M 2
W 1
F 1
Pts: ?
Will of the State Special Rule:
The Commissar is essentially armed with a Banner.
Wargear includes Heavy Armor and Hand Weapon.

Commander of Dale
These guys are meant to be the 'elite' Captains, either mounted leading Cavalry or on ground leading foot troops.

Captains who show both skill and tactical ability rise to Commanders, adept strategists and fearsome warriors.

F 5/-
S 4
D 6
A 3
C 4
M 3
W 2
F 1
Pts: ?
Wargear Options: Armored Horse, Lance, Halberd, Two-Handed Weapon
Wargear includes Hand Weapon and Heavy Armor

Mercenary
Like how the King's Huntsman is an independent hero, these guys would come as part of the theoretical 'Commanders' pack. They are an elite fighter and skirmisher that acts mostly apart from the rest of the army.

Their only allegiance to their state is that of wealth. Only the best Mercenaries are recruited, and only the highest price is accepted. What is certain is that despite their solitary approach to battle, they are extremely effective at harrying and destroying enemy platoons with Wristbows and blade.

F 4/3+
S 4
D 5
A 3
C 4
M 3
W 2
F 2
Pts:
Wargear includes Wristbow and Hand Weapon.
Wristbow- A Throwing Weapon with range 14"

Siege
I don't think Dale would be much for attacking fortresses, so more anti-infantry and defensive war-machines seem suited to them.

Windspear
I have a hard time imagining that the Windlance used by Girion was the only one of its kind ever manufactured by Dale. The Windspear is essentially a miniature version, portable fire-support for its armies.

A sleek and light weapon, the Windspear gracefully hurls bolts straight through ranks of Dale's foes and is used both on the field and emplaced on defenses.

Follows points and rules for Mordor Siege Bow, except with Superior Construction.

Hwacha
Going with the somewhat Eastern theme Dale presents, and along with the Easterlings fondness for massed formations, the Hwacha seems perfect for Dale. A large area-effect weapon, the Hwacha would be offset by its weakness to fast and spread out troops, along with its reload time taking two turns.

An intriguing contraption, the Hwacha hurls a storm of bolts that even puts Ribboniers to shame. Decimating phalanxes and hordes with ease, the Hwacha was crafted in response to the Easterling's regiments of tightly-packed warriors. However, it's a pain to reload even for a whole crew, and relies on volume and density in a concentrated area rather than pinpointing shots.

Not sure on the rules for these yet, need some help on that.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:07 pm 
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this a profile I came up for dunland. I did not really like the idea of a dunleding berserk, so I focused more on their hate for Rohan and their claims on the land. I wanted to make them the counterpart of Sons of Eorls and Outriders without making them just a mirrored version.

Dunlending Wulfsblood 13 Pts

The closest thing Dunlendings have to nobility are those who claim to descend from Wulf, the usurper who once took Helm's Throne for himself. Believing themselves to be kings in exile, their hate for the Rohirrim is still as fierce as it ever was

F4 S4 D5 A2 W1 C4

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Heavy Armor and two handed axe

Special Rule
Strawhead Slayer: When fighting against cavalry models, this model counts as a cavalry model himself for the purpose of "extra attack" and "knock to ground"

Dunlending Hunter 8 pts

Not all Dunlendings approach the fight blindly. Some of them have actually realised that the best way to deal with the Horse-Lords is to get rid of their mounts first.

F 3/3+ S4 D4 A1 D1 C3

Equip:
Armor and Bow

Special Rule
Get them on the Ground: When shooting a mounted model, a Dunlending hunter can reroll his dice to determine whether the rider or the mount is hit. Plus, the Hunter has to reroll 1 when rolling to wound the mount.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 8:43 am 
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Dikey wrote:
this a profile I came up for dunland. I did not really like the idea of a dunleding berserk, so I focused more on their hate for Rohan and their claims on the land. I wanted to make them the counterpart of Sons of Eorls and Outriders without making them just a mirrored version.

Dunlending Wulfsblood 13 Pts

The closest thing Dunlendings have to nobility are those who claim to descend from Wulf, the usurper who once took Helm's Throne for himself. Believing themselves to be kings in exile, their hate for the Rohirrim is still as fierce as it ever was

F4 S4 D5 A2 W1 C4

Equip:
Heavy Armor and two handed axe

Special Rule
Strawhead Slayer: When fighting against cavalry models, this model counts as a cavalry model himself for the purpose of "extra attack" and "knock to ground"

Dunlending Hunter 8 pts

Not all Dunlendings approach the fight blindly. Some of them have actually realised that the best way to deal with the Horse-Lords is to get rid of their mounts first.

F 3/3+ S4 D4 A1 D1 C3

Equip:
Armor and Bow

Special Rule
Get them on the Ground: When shooting a mounted model, a Dunlending hunter can reroll his dice to determine whether the rider or the mount is hit. Plus, the Hunter has to reroll 1 when rolling to wound the mount.


I like the ideas. The Wulfsblood seems a bit overpowered for the points, maybe reduce the attack to 1?

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I put 13 points because it's the price a Son of Eorl would have without horse (-9, swap shield with 2hw). Perhaps I should lower their courage by one
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